Jared Crozier: Ceci Staking A Claim For World Cup Spot; Stone In Tough

first !

I love the way both Ceci and Stone are playing right now, I think Stone should have a legit shot a team Canada. He's one of the best in takeaway's and his game without the puck is Oh so strong !

I still think Stone has a great chance, it's just so hard for a Head Coach to leave such a smart player like that off his team, coaches love players like Stone.

I think he makes it. He certainly doesn't have the speed Babcock builds his team around, but I think in the end he gets the pick because he's one of the top 10 smartest forwards in the NHL.

I think it is a bit of a stretch for Stone. He's played very well, and as a totally not impartial Sens fan, he's been a lot better than several other players who will probably make the team ahead of him...Perry...that being said, Canada has such a deep talent pool that they could realistically ice two teams filled with star players.

For the young guns, I'd like to see Ceci make it. He has looked like one of the best Dmen of the tourny, though Reilly, Murray, and Dumba have come on stronger as things have progressed.

I would go with Gostisbehere, Parayko, and Ceci as the remaining 3 for the young guns. However, I doubt that will happen. Ceci during his NHL career has been overshadowed by Karlsson. No one even thinks of the #2RD because of how big a role Karlsson plays. Not to mention how little Ceci gets to play with an NHL caliber partner. While Ceci has looked very good in thus far in Russia, I think scouts watched the NHL games closer, and will reference that source primarily when picking the team. I think we'll see Trouba or Dumba make the team as they play more prominent NHL roles.

Just my take on it. I've been surprised before.

I think Stone has a very strong chance to make world Cup, I say he has a better shot at going to the World Cup then Ceci. Stone would be a perfect guy for the 4th line on a team that will already have so many offensive stars he can bring a different element to the team. Don't think Ceci will have much of a shot though

Since when does Dumba play a more prominent role than Ceci? Dumba played fewer min/GP than Wiercioch last season, doesn't play on the penalty kill, and Ceci is badly outperforming him at the World Championships.

The larger concern is that Ekblad, Jones, Trouba, Ceci, Parayko, and Dumba are all RH shots. Does anyone else remember when that was more of a rare/valuable thing?

Random question, possibly a stupid one, but I genuinely don't know.

What is the expectation on re-signing Hoffman?

Is there a chance he doesn't get signed?

If he does, what kind of numbers/term are we talking about, ballpark?

Random question, possibly a stupid one, but I genuinely don't know.

What is the expectation on re-signing Hoffman?

Is there a chance he doesn't get signed?

If he does, what kind of numbers/term are we talking about, ballpark?
- eichiefs9

I would say somewhere between 5.5 and 6.5 for 5/6yrs

Since when does Dumba play a more prominent role than Ceci? Dumba played fewer min/GP than Wiercioch last season, doesn't play on the penalty kill, and Ceci is badly outperforming him at the World Championships.
- khawk

How many people outside of the Ottawa Senators fan base ever talk about Ceci? I'm not talking about ACTUAL value. But, perceived value.

No one talks about Ceci, because everyone talks about Karlsson.
When Ceci is talked about it is in relation to unspectacular stats, which are dragged down due to being stuck with poor partners.
His deployment has been in an unregarded way. He sees almost no PP time, he sees a good number of D zone starts... Dumba has other names in front of him with the Wild, but he still has more name value....in my view that is. Just the sense I get from media, discussion, etc.

Gostisbehere
Parayko

And I'd take trouba with the 3rd choice, but it'll prob be Dougie Hamilton.

How many people outside of the Ottawa Senators fan base ever talk about Ceci? I'm not talking about ACTUAL value. But, perceived value.

No one talks about Ceci, because everyone talks about Karlsson.
When Ceci is talked about it is in relation to unspectacular stats, which are dragged down due to being stuck with poor partners.
His deployment has been in an unregarded way. He sees almost no PP time, he sees a good number of D zone starts... Dumba has other names in front of him with the Wild, but he still has more name value....in my view that is. Just the sense I get from media, discussion, etc.
- MaxTLimit

I haven't seen Dumba played many games, but also I never thought his name brought a bigger or better pedigree than Ceci. From the few games I saw Dumba played, I don't think he has the skillset and the defensive awarness Ceci has...something with potential, Dumba appears more to be a " you get what you see" type of player, while Ceci has sky high potential.

The rumor was the Bolts asked for Ceci in a trade for Drouin and Ottawa said no.

The rumor was the Bolts asked for Ceci in a trade for Drouin and Ottawa said no.
- spatso

if it was 1 for 1....that was dumb by the sens

I would say somewhere between 5.5 and 6.5 for 5/6yrs
- ShaneP22

Are they re-signing him though? I could have sworn I read someone casting a little bit of doubt on that. No idea how reliable it was, that's why I'm asking.

Are they re-signing him though? I could have sworn I read someone casting a little bit of doubt on that. No idea how reliable it was, that's why I'm asking.
- eichiefs9

There is concern that he won't be signed. The comment made by the new gm along the lines of '... this team isn’t built around Mike Hoffman. This team is built around 20-players, so we’re going to do what’s right.' is sorta fueling the speculation.

As far as the Ceci for Drouin straight up being dumb, I'd disagree because the Sens organization, as a whole, doesn't have anyone to slot into the spot of Ceci right now. Sens have at least SOME guys that can play LW...for now. If Hoffman leaves and MacArthur isn't a top6 guy anymore....well things look bad.

if it was 1 for 1....that was dumb by the sens
- senstroll

Drouin is a better player, no doubt, but it still would be a bad trade for ottawa. The sens are one of the highest scoring teams in the league, but have almost no depth on D. They don't need drouin.....they absolutely need ceci.

The rumor was the Bolts asked for Ceci in a trade for Drouin and Ottawa said no.
- spatso

Heard a rumour that that rumour was BS. Didn't happen. Was just a rumour though. So I don't know which rumour to believe. If I hear a rumour about either rumour I'll let you guy's know.

There is concern that he won't be signed. The comment made by the new gm along the lines of '... this team isn’t built around Mike Hoffman. This team is built around 20-players, so we’re going to do what’s right.' is sorta fueling the speculation.

As far as the Ceci for Drouin straight up being dumb, I'd disagree because the Sens organization, as a whole, doesn't have anyone to slot into the spot of Ceci right now. Sens have at least SOME guys that can play LW...for now. If Hoffman leaves and MacArthur isn't a top6 guy anymore....well things look bad.
- MaxTLimit

So purely hypothetical...what do you think would be a reasonable return from the Isles for him?

So purely hypothetical...what do you think would be a reasonable return from the Isles for him?
- eichiefs9

I can't see a trade that would work.......the only guys on your roster (that aren't UFA's or contracts that the sens would not take) are Tavares (obviously untouchable) hamonic, and Strome.

I can't see a trade that would work.......the only guys on your roster (that aren't UFA's or contracts that the sens would not take) are Tavares (obviously untouchable) hamonic, and Strome.
- sensarmy_11

I'd trade you Strome for Hoffman any day of the week.

Am I missing something about Hoffman? He's scored damn near 30 goals the last two years, is there some other aspect of his game that is severely lacking? I feel like he could pot 30 easily playing with Tavares.

I'd trade you Strome for Hoffman any day of the week.

Am I missing something about Hoffman? He's scored damn near 30 goals the last two years, is there some other aspect of his game that is severely lacking? I feel like he could pot 30 easily playing with Tavares.
- eichiefs9

I wouldn't trade him straight up.....but a package with strome.

He's very streaky, and extremely lazy defensively. ......that being said, I don't want him traded. 30 goal players are hard to find. I don't think he'll be traded......not with the new coach (who he's played for before and likes)

I wouldn't trade him straight up.....but a package with strome.

He's very streaky, and extremely lazy defensively. ......that being said, I don't want him traded. 30 goal players are hard to find. I don't think he'll be traded......not with the new coach (who he's played for before and likes)
- sensarmy_11

Yeah I figured the defensive aspect is what people questioned. I just couldn't figure out why there was speculation swirling around a guy who scored just short of 30 goals two years in a row and was a pending RFA.

Honestly, I wouldn't be totally averse to paying Strome and 19th overall for him. Not sure if that gets it done for the Sens, but if Snow pulled the trigger on that I wouldn't be calling for his head, that's for sure.

Yeah I figured the defensive aspect is what people questioned. I just couldn't figure out why there was speculation swirling around a guy who scored just short of 30 goals two years in a row and was a pending RFA.

Honestly, I wouldn't be totally averse to paying Strome and 19th overall for him. Not sure if that gets it done for the Sens, but if Snow pulled the trigger on that I wouldn't be calling for his head, that's for sure.
- eichiefs9

To be honest, his defensive deficiencies are blown way out of proportion. His game is very Patrick Kane like. On a line with Tavares he easily puts up 40 goal seasons. Strome wouldn't work for the Sens. He is better suited playing center, and Ottawa already has too many of those. I don't see us trading with Isles if Hoffman becomes available.

To be honest, his defensive deficiencies are blown way out of proportion. His game is very Patrick Kane like. On a line with Tavares he easily puts up 40 goal seasons. Strome wouldn't work for the Sens. He is better suited playing center, and Ottawa already has too many of those. I don't see us trading with Isles if Hoffman becomes available.
- TheCalSen

no they're not......they're just easier to overlook because he can score.

and comparing him to the likely hart trophy winner is absolutely ridiculous......that's like saying that turris' game is very Sidney Crosby